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Preseason top 25s are sprouting up like mildew patches in the summer heat. If you're having trouble piecing yours together--and we know we are--use this handy guide to instant punditry we found just lying around the interweb, the EDSBS Pundit-by-Numbers Preseason Top 25 Assembly Kit®.

Make-Your-Own Top 25!

1. Number one. WHEW! Hard one here. Make things easier on yourself by just putting a.) last year's champion here if they've got the same quarterback, or b.) Grab a team that won a BCS game last year and still has the same quarterback. You won't look too crazy by doing either. If last year's champ has lost their quarterback, move to slot 5 AUTOMATICALLY.


"Texas has to be the preseason favorite with Vince Young returning. Wait, we mean...um...they're fifth. Yeah, fifth."

2. Another easy one! Remember number two at the end of the year last year? You got it: just slide 'em in here and keep rolling, rockstar.

3. Okay, tricky one at three, one that might require one or two GOOGLE SEARCHES. The team that won their big BCS bowl game last year by a shocker? Roll 'em right in. SPECIAL NEW YORK TIMES PROVISION: this is where you put Michigan. Because you know a guy who went there, and he was pretty smart and cool and all that, and you didn't really have a good football team where you went to school since lacrosse was really the thing there.

4. Another research one: take a team that's a traditional power in the top ten. Did they go 8-4 last year? Or something like it? Okay, that's your pick!

5. (RESERVED FOR LAST YEAR'S CHAMP MINUS QUARTERBACK. IF ABSENT, INSERT TENNESSEE.)


Fulmer sez: gimme five! Corndogs, that is.

6. A really easy one for the ol' seis-spot: NOTRE DAME. They're on television all the time and they had that movie with the kid from Goonies in it, plus they score like crazy these days. Even if they fall from the top ten you're actually creating content for yourself, since you can then write one of your standard pairs of filler columns, the "wake up the echoes" preseason Notre Dame column/ "what the hell happened to the goddamn echoes" post-season Notre Dame column.


Notre Dame's at 6. They've got Sean Astin on their side, and he was in White Water Summer, for god's sake. You can't deal with that, son.

7. Time to get bold here. Got a program that's won a ton of games but never a big one? An offensive juggernaut whose almost beat significant opponents on a national stage but racks up fifty and sixty points on the midgets of the world? Seven is the place for them. It gives you BOLD pundit points and must be accompanied by a phrase of great certainty, like "This is the year they get it done." If you hedge, just put Michigan in here and move on.


Boise's good for easy BOLD points, especially after they beat lost horribly to Georgia.

8. Find out who the SEC champion was last year. Go ahead and put them here.

9. This is always a good place to put a Larry Coker-era Miami team. If not, have you considered putting Florida State here? They're always a nice place holder, too.

10. Have you put all your Florida teams in the top ten? It's essential to put them all in your to ten, if only to put them lower in your post-season poll, which then--thinking ahead!--gives you still more column filler in the form of "Sunshine State ain't so sunny anymore" piece. If you hesitate to do this, again, just put Michigan here if you havent' used them already.


One. Ten. We're somewhere in there, guys. Where's the friggin's scotch around here...

11-25: A little secret of the trade....no one reads these. No one. The only people who will read them in total are basement-dwelling slobboids who will then write 13 page screeds in response to your critical underestimation of Clemson/Cal/Northwestern/Louisville/Tech/Florida/etc..


Plebe! Your ignorance regarding the worth of the (insert my team here) has forced me to answer at length on my blog. Prepare for a fisking!!!

In reality, you will simply take the next fifteen teams you can name off the top of your head and rattle them off on the page, just listing them in no particular order and tagging each one with the only thing you can remember about them at the time. Example:

#22: Fresno State: Bulldogs' tough schedule will keep Pat Hill twiddling his mustache all year long.

See? No research required. You know Fresno plays a tough schedule every year, and that Pat Hill has a bitchin' mustache. Combine the two and presto! Instant content.

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Genius, guys. Pure genius.

by Yost on Jun 19, 2006 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

So true…It’s Like You’re Inside My Dome sometimes!

Essential tools for the pseudo-pundit: College Football Data Warehouse and Google…

Oh and a cocksure (great word) attitude.

Strong Work Orson.

by Erik on Jun 19, 2006 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

You think we’re kidding, but this is totally how we’re putting together our top 25.

by Orson Swindle on Jun 19, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Excellent work guys! Kinda like the Rachel Ray method for the top 25!

Note to Sean Astin:

If you are ever in charge of CTU-Los Angeles and your crack-head sister wants to meet and talk you, do not meet her next to a dumpster in some obscure parking lot…her boyfriend will just thump your skull and take your key card.

by tigercpa on Jun 19, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

White Water Summer. Jesus. EDSBS always finds a way to surprise me.

This is also the perfect method for making a pre-season top 25.

Strong indeed.

by Odell 51 on Jun 19, 2006 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Notre Dame at 6?! I want what your smoking.

IG

by IrishGuard on Jun 19, 2006 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Odell, the scene where they brain Kevin Bacon with a rock always cracked us the hell up.

by Orson Swindle on Jun 19, 2006 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

WHOOO! We’re number six!

by Bullfrog on Jun 19, 2006 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

“Instant content” – if it can work for Ramen Noodles, it can work for punditry. Good stuff.

by Phil K. on Jun 19, 2006 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

For my money, Sean Astin doesn’t get any better than when he played the slightly retarded brother on one of those semi-serious, quasi-funny Adam Sandler flicks.

by Erik on Jun 19, 2006 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSTY OF THE WORLD AT #6.
Is this some kind of joke? They had an oustanding year last year. Almost beat USC after losing to a marginal MSU team.
Made it to a BSC game where they took a Ving Rhames like ass pounding.(see Pulp Fiction) The defense almost(never) made stops when they needed to. I have to say what’s on my mind here. N.D. is about as far back as my beloved Tide. If either of them can win ten games this year then I’ll sing their praises but until then we are all just hoping for a return of the glory days.
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by CHARLIE MURPHEY on Jun 19, 2006 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff…I would add a corollary to #1, if the champ last year lost their QB, the #1 team should have most of their offense back (including QB of course) after a good bowl performance. Because the pundits love them some offense. Offense is bright and shiny. Defense is like soccer….
Thus, OSU is the clear choice for #1. I mean, did you see they put up 600 yards against ND?? What was that? Who’s AJ Hawk? Gotta go, someone’s jangling keys!!

by Pants McPants on Jun 19, 2006 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

1. Ohio State
2. Southern Cal
3. West Virginia
4. Oklahoma
5. Texas
6. Notre Dame
7. Florida
8. Georgia
9. Miami
10. Florida State

Michigan comes in at 11 because you have to get all 3 florida teams in there.

this punditry stuff is easy. you can overrate almost any team and then get away with the mid-season “disappointment columns.”

by irishoutsider on Jun 19, 2006 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

A thousand thanks for exposing the non-thought that goes into 95% of all preseason writing and rankings. I humbly suggest three additional features that should be banned from the format forever:

1. The phrase, “What a difference a year makes.”
2. Song lyrics — as intro, segue, or in any other manner.
3. Invoking prominent non-football playing alumni. E.g., “Stanford’s going to need to power-drive like alum Tiger Woods if it hopes to rise in the Pac-10 standings.”

by Oren Incandenza on Jun 19, 2006 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Special Cases for Pundits:

PAC-10 Pundit: At least 3 PAC-10 teams in top 10. SEC team with most diverse offense makes top 10.

SEC Pundit- Any PAC-10 team included in top ten should contain a disclaimer that defense is not played in the PAC-10. No fewer than 4 SEC teams in the top 10. No fewer than 10 SEC teams in the top 25. Remaining two teams should also be receiving votes.

Rivals- Any rival of pundit’s team is automatically excluded from top 10. Include explanation of why rival is soooooo overrated by everyone else.

by Dawg 05 on Jun 19, 2006 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Whitewater Summer: the movie that lead to me unsucessfully trying to catch a fish with my bare hands for the next 10 years. Damn you Kevin Bacon!

by nixforsix on Jun 19, 2006 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

What, you haven’t done that yet? Next thing you’ll tell us is that you can’t bowfish.

by Orson Swindle on Jun 19, 2006 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you Dawg. Diversity of Scheme is never given enough Attention in the SEC!

Screw what works…Lets get Diverse!

by Erik on Jun 19, 2006 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I am with you…….look what the spread did for UF.
Diversity gave them about the same record as the offensive genius Zook got them. Let’s stop using tried and true plays and start every play with a fake draw. That will teach them.

by CHARLIE MURPHEY on Jun 19, 2006 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah, now…[NAME REDACTED] never breached the nine-win barrier. Nor did he win a bowl game.

He did beat Auburn, though.

by Orson Swindle on Jun 19, 2006 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

irishoutsider, I like OSU at #1 too…but their scheme is not diverse enough. Sorry.

by Erik on Jun 19, 2006 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, we can’t see the spread working in a league with the speed of the Big Ten…

by Orson Swindle on Jun 19, 2006 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

OSU won a BCS game and are returning a QB, my hands are tied.

Erik, Troy Smith doesn’t always run. Sometimes, he throws too! That’s what they call a “dual-threat” QB like a Donovan McNabb, a Vince Young, or an Eric Crouch.

As for scheme diversity, your 11-25 has to include Nevada, Colorado, and Emory

by irishoutsider on Jun 19, 2006 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent work guys! Kinda like the Rachel Ray method for the top 25!

Mmmmmmm . . . Rachel Ray.

Now, where were we? Oh yes. Top 25 methodology. Brilliant as usual, gentlemen.

by DevilGrad on Jun 19, 2006 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

8 wins 9 wins what the difference…..enought to contend not enough to win THE CONFERENCE. You get the point either way. Zook did recruit the best players but used them in a boring system. The legend uses a great city league system but will not win ten or even 9 games with that schedule. Will you guys fire him if that happens?

by CHARLIE MURPHEY on Jun 19, 2006 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

We could. He’s a coach. Enter Michael Corleone:

If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it is that you can kill anyone.

No reason Meyer can’t fail at UF. No reason Shula can’t get run out on a rail in Bama, either, especially with another few losses to Auburn.

As for never winning ten or nine games—we don’t know that yet (at least in conference.) We suspect he can, but reality could cut our throats on that sharp edge of hope.

by Orson Swindle on Jun 19, 2006 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

“Tough…but not impossible.”

by Phil K. on Jun 19, 2006 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Charlie, thanks for correlating two of the worst visuals ever in my mind (Pulp fiction & Fiesta Bowl 2006)

Never looked Ving the same after that one…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

by Bob Gomez for Presidint on Jun 19, 2006 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh, BGfP, I think there actually is something wrong with keeping a gimp locked up in your basement and freeing him only to anally assault local gangsters…

by Bullfrog on Jun 19, 2006 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah, now…[NAME REDACTED] never breached the nine-win barrier. Nor did he win a bowl game.

He did beat Auburn, though.

Funny, [NAME REDACTED]had a better record against Auburn than Spurrier. Spurrier’s record against Auburn when UF was ranked #1 was 1-2.

by AU03 on Jun 19, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Orson,

Yes the best scene is when Bacon gets brained with the rocks and/or paddle. That scene has always made me afraid of paddles and the guy from “North Shore” who swung it.

by Odell 51 on Jun 19, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you, always happy to remind you of the bad things in life. The IRS,std’s, the off season, and even the world cup.
All things we could do without.
Not to mention pre-season polls. Which is what this is supposed to be about.
Man rule: No football poll means anything until the third week of the season.

by CHARLIE MURPHEY on Jun 19, 2006 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Predicting the top teams in CFB more than two months before the start of the season is like predicting who will win the World Series in February, except that you are attempting it from a remote village in North Korea during a power outage.

Oh, and your post pailfully reminded me of how horribly, horribly wrong the mainstream sports media can be when prognosticaing on college football.

by The Contrarian on Jun 19, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh, BGfP, I think there actually is something wrong with keeping a gimp locked up in your basement and freeing him only to anally assault local gangsters…

The gimp didn’t do that, it was either Zed or Maynard (I think Zed). The gimp just kinda stood there, until Bruce Willis knocks the crap out of him.

But yes, Bullfrog, there is something very, very wrong about that whole ordeal.

by AU03 on Jun 19, 2006 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

“That is how it goes down in ”http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/?p=1991">L.A. "

by Bob Gomez for Presidint on Jun 19, 2006 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Phil would not eat corndogs. Corndogs, are closely associated to LSU fans. C’mon guys, you know better than that.

by Dick Vermeil (Urban's weeping hero) on Jun 19, 2006 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Some of your best stuff ever. And this year, it’s probably going to be as accurate as any of the other preseason polls.

by drnlaw on Jun 19, 2006 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Orson you have my thanks. I was going to get myself into the blogpoll ballots this year, but knew that I hadn’t really watched enough games outside of our region to really have a good educated decision on the subject.

I’ve now been reminded that such things to slow down the men and women paid to be wrong most of the time.

by Jacketdan on Jun 19, 2006 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

…and the guy from “North Shore” who swung it.

I need to know: Was it the F.O.B, J.O.J, wave-pool schooled Rick Kane or the “Shit Damnit!!” (greatest frustation induced profanity ever!) – spewing, bad boy (OMG!) hottie Lance Burkhart?

by AGS on Jun 19, 2006 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. Someone else who’s seen “The North Shore.” Odell, you’ve made my week already.

“When are you going to stop calling me ‘Barney?’”
“When you’re not a Barney anymore, Barney.”

by Robb on Jun 19, 2006 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

You know, only this site could have a post on preseason top 25 polls generate a discussion on who actually anally assaulted Ving Rhames.
I think that’s why I love edsbs so much. But, you know, not love in that way…

by Andrew on Jun 19, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I was hoping someone else had seen that movie.

I want to name my kid Turtle after that guy.

by Odell 51 on Jun 19, 2006 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah, to be a real college football pundit. I guess I can always dream.

Let’s not forget predicting conference finishes.

Take the conference standings from the year prior, check how every team finished their season (whether they won their bowl game or not) and develop the conference prediction accordingly.

Because we know teams never rebuild and those that are at the bottom will always be there. In the eyes of the preseason experts, college football is a never changing sport. The teams that were good 10 years ago are still good today and the teams that were bad 10 years ago are still bad today.

by JazzyUte on Jun 19, 2006 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

If keeping a gimp locked up in your basement and freeing him only to anally assault local gangsters is wrong, I don’t wanna be right.

by GamecockTony on Jun 19, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s been a while since I’ve had the time to get in on one of these, but this is genious.

I’d like to point out that for everyone in the top 10 if they can (a)put it all together (b)find stability at [offensive skill position] ©find chemistry and leadership on their lines, this could be their year. On the other hand, if they are ranked 11 – 25, then (a) if [add new coach’s name here] can get his players to buy into his new scheme (b) can take the next step © can avoid key injuries, a BCS bid is not out of the question". It’s like a Madlib.

by LSUfan on Jun 19, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Michigan is poised for a title run this year with [returning WR] and [returning WR] heading up a high powered offense with [touted QB] at the helm. Helping form a balanced attack will be [soon to be impotent returning RB] This will give the defense, returning [# between 6 and 10] starters, plenty of time to control the pace of the game.

The Wolverines face some tough matchups, [home or away] against Ohio State and Notre Dame in [South Bend or Ann Arbor], and their post-season dreams could [hinge, teter, lean] on these two pivotal [matchups, scrums, battle of traditional powers].

[Lloyd Carr or Head Coach] has the horses this year, can they finally get it together?

by irishoutsider on Jun 19, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you, Gamecock Tony.

by Orson Swindle on Jun 19, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

You are welcome, oh Great Guru of all things collegiate pigskin.

Honestly, it’s what Mrs. Gamecock and I like to call “Tuesday Night”.

by GamecockTony on Jun 19, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Gamecock Tony,

Do you have a youtube video clip of that? People want to watch.

by Odell 51 on Jun 19, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I hear ya Gamecock Tony.

I’ve found that gimps are like dogs…if you don’t pet them once in awhile, it’s hard to keep them under the porch…

…so i’ve been told…

by Erik on Jun 19, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Sadly Odell, despite Mrs. Gamecock’s penchant for perversions, she is incredibly difficult to capture on tape.
Sort of like Bigfoot… well, without the gigantic size, hair, ungodly stench and general ugliness.

by GamecockTony on Jun 19, 2006 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

orson, with all the gimp posts, shouldn’t the link to bowfishing be burt reynolds standing up in the boat in “deliverance”?

by yz on Jun 19, 2006 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

As a fan of Nevada I have to say that the ‘Pistol’ offense was just a trick to hide our short and stubby running backs from the D-Line, not much more than that. But score for the diversity Top 25 votes. In that case I would put them at 12 right behind Michigan.

by Parappa the Dapper on Jun 19, 2006 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

The spread offense definitely doesn’t work against SEC teams.

Signed, Rich Rodriguez

by MJ on Jun 19, 2006 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

wow…….you got a pirdy mouth…….
I’m not that sure that Athlon doesn’t let the gimp pick its PRSN TOP 25.

by CHARLIE Murphy on Jun 19, 2006 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

In addition to Dawg 05’s comments, I’d like to add a guideline regarding someone’s “own” team (this applies mainly to bloggers, not mainstream pundits):

If your team is in a BCS conference…
and won a BCS bowl within the last 2 years, rank team #1.
and won their conference within the last 3 years, rank in top 5.
and has had a 9-win season within the past 3 years, rank 6-10.
otherwise, rank 11-20.

If your team is not in a BCS conference…
and has been to a BCS bowl within the past 2 years, rank 8-10.
and has been ranked within the past 2 years, rank in top 11-20.
otherwise, rank 23-25.

by Jeff on Jun 19, 2006 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny, [NAME REDACTED]had a better record against Auburn than Spurrier. Spurrier’s record against Auburn when UF was ranked #1 was 1-2.

Comment by AU03 — June 19, 2006 @ 1:43 pm

Here’s an even better indicator of the Plainsmen’s total pownage of Spurrier:

Spurrier’s record against Auburn when the Mighty Gators were outscored by AU was 0-3!!!!

His record in the other 10 games is slightly better.

by Chg on Jun 19, 2006 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The big question in [college town] this season is who is going to step up and take over the [position] job from departed All-[American/Conference] Senior [player’s name]. Unheralded 5th year senior [Joe Somebody] has the job now, but our bet is on Parade All-American and 5-Star Recruit [Johnny Everybody].

Apply to Bulldogs:

The big question in Athens this season is who is going to step up and take over the quarterback job from departed All-Conference Senior DJ Shockley. Unheralded 5th year senior Joe Terishinski has the job now, but our bet is on Parade All-American and 5-Star Recruit Mathew Stafford.

I should start my own pre-season magazine.

by Dawg 05 on Jun 19, 2006 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

But the real question is which top 10 team has the most tremendous upside potential and the chance to be a REAL SPOILER!

Comic Book Guy just knows that Louisville is the bold top-10 pick from the Big East that’s not West Virginia.

by Parker on Jun 19, 2006 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Diverse offense, comfortable schedule, Phil Steele-like appreciation for lots of turnovers the year before – Arkansas in teh Top 25? Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

BTW, whatever happened to Ferris’ girlfriend?

by Vinsane on Jun 20, 2006 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Spurrier’s record against Auburn when the Mighty Gators were outscored by AU was 0-3!!!!

Chg,

My point was that Spurrier didn’t have as good record against AU as [NAME REDACTED], and that 2 of the losses game when UF was #1. I think you broke the sarcasm meter, not unlike the Android up top.

No need to be an asshole.

See comment #4.

by AU03 on Jun 20, 2006 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

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