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RECRUITING, PAGE SIX STYLE

What SEC coach...

...has already pissed off enough coaches to merit seven different complaints, all from different coaches? And not all from inside the conference? HMMMMmmm... [/gossipy news columnistspeak]

That's what you'll get in this week's installment of Memphis Dry Ribs in the Commercial-Appeal, a tidbit lodged discreetly in the final paragraph covering a conversation with SEC Commish Mike Slive. The essentials:

The one thing that the conference needs to continue to work on is its image as a renegade league that doesn't mind breaking a rule or two or 10 or 20...Slive remains steadfast in his goal. Here's hoping he gets there, but erasing cheating in recruiting is hard. MDR has had a couple of football coaches tell him that one coach currently in the league was turned in by seven different schools (and not all in the SEC) for alleged recruiting violations.

Who could this be? (Legal department would like us to insert the following blanket "allegedly" falling across all that follows, to be followed by numerous redundant "alleged"s.) Given geography, reputation, and the source of the story, we'd have to allegedly suspect that this points an alleged unsubtle finger at The Orgeron, who Chris Scelfo of Tulane already called out for recruiting talent off the Green Wave after Hurricane Katrina hit.

Rumors swirl around the Orgeron already: his cutthroat recruiting tactics, his Cajun tirades involving him challenging his whole team to a fight, and his ability to mesmerize dogs and talk to snakes...however, this can't be good for the 2nd year coach at Ole Miss, if only because Slive letting something like this slip in what he surely knew to be a public forum serves as a warning shot across the bow of the S.S. Crazyman currently docked in Oxford. An example could be made if Slive really does feel like the conference needs a good public polishing--mostly in terms of lost bowls and scholarships for an offender--and being one of the non-sacred cows of the conference would make a program like Ole Miss a ripe, tasty, batter-fried target for a commisioner looking for a scapegoat.

Why wouldn't this be Urban Meyer, you ask? Probably because, outside of the very, very sketchy claims that C.J. Spiller's recruitment broke some rules, he's not had anyone go on the record against him. That and the source being the Memphis paper are enough to point us away from the admittedly very, very aggressive recruiting of Meyer.


A Southern specialty: tasty, batter-fried recruiting complaints.

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I’d have to guess this is about Melvin “Moneybags” Smith at MSU. He has that reputation wherever he goes, and he has earned his nickname.

by bobrooney on May 30, 2006 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Again, maybe it won’t be deeweeted by the crybaby this time. I say Melvin “Moneybags” Smith is the culprit. He did, after all, earn his nickname.

by bobrooney on May 30, 2006 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Aren’t those blackened recruiting complaints on the right there?

by BaggyPantsDevil on May 30, 2006 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Melvin “Moneybags” Smith, eh? I guess we all know where bobrooney’s allegiance lies.

It’s no doubt Orgeron, and there’s no doubt that nobody outside of the delusional lot in Oxford is surprised.

by Fresh on May 30, 2006 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

According to the article the coaches told the reporter not Slive and the geography does make it look like Orgeron or at least that is what he is content for folks to think, the coaches were probably on Memphis’ staff and you have to look at who would also be competing with them for area recruits, and who would be desperate enough, could it be Tennessee or Arkansas, Fulmer should get fair consideration too – “Dean” of SEC coaches does not equal friend of SEC coaches – and last year could have left him desperate, Ole Miss’ AD also owned up to the overblown Tulane situation at the time, but who was going to call Scelfo or Tulane on it then

by Mark on May 30, 2006 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, well…It seems that in the court of public opinion Orgeron just took a swift kick in the nads…allegedly

“O” has been in this recruiting game for a long time and he’s done very well (2 time Rivals recruiter of the year). He works extremely hard, but I can understand why some other coaches would bitch and complain.

My thoughts on Orgeron

by Erik on May 30, 2006 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

BPD, that’s grouper, we think. Recruiting complaints resemble shrimp when fried.

by Orson Swindle on May 30, 2006 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Strange. Isn’t there an old saying that goes something like this: isn’t that like the pot calling the kettle black? This coach must being cheating REAL bad to get these crooked bastards pissed off.

by dragonash on May 30, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s probably the Orgeron, but Meyer’s 55 text messages per hour could probably grate on a few nerves as well. BTW, per Outside the Lines, the NCAA will likely be pulling the plug on the ol’ Nextel specials soon.

I am friends with an NCAA Division 1 assistant, and needless to say, their monthly cell phone bill exceeds the per capita income of 122 of the world’s nations. It’s literally not possible to have a conversation with him, his cell phone rings literally every two minutes or he’s calling or texting someone.

It’s basically ridiculous.

by Auburn Fan on May 30, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Bah, they just can’t stand a rookie shoehorning in even moderately successfully on their turf. Tommy West (who probably counts as two coaches in Geoff Calkins’ book) has been up against chump recruiters (Cutcliffe, Brooks, Croom, Johnson, coach-of-the-week at Bama, whoever’s at MTSU and ASU) since he got to Memphis and he’s just bitter that he and good ole Joe Lee Dunn aren’t always going up against the SEC’s JV coaching lineup any more when they’re recruiting some kid who lives within 200 miles of the Liberty Bowl.

Thought experiment: would West (or any other mortal working with Memphis’ resources) have gotten DeAngelo Williams to come play in a half-empty stadium filled with road fans going up against The Orgeron, or even the real human being behind the legend?

And I say this as someone who thinks Cutcliffe got a bad shake and who roots for Memphis the 10-11 games a year they aren’t playing the Rebels.

In the end I’m sure there’s some subparagraph of some stupid NCAA rule that Coach O has violated (he probably parked on the wrong side of the street on a Tuesday, or forgot to tell the O-line coach to go wait in the car while he talked to a recruit, or something). As long as boosters aren’t buying cars for recruits I’m not going to worry too much about violations talk.

by Chris Lawrence on May 31, 2006 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not a Memphis fan but since their fans cannot read or use a computer very well, I must defend this weak minded bunch. Williams was going to go to Arkansas. Memphis draws about 40k per game; about the same as Ole Piss er Ole Miss. Memphis gives Ole Miss fits on the football field and would soundly whip their sissy ass in basketball. As for us, we’ve beaten Memphis five in a row with or without Hackney.

by dragonash on May 31, 2006 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Oooh, Tommy West bested Houston Nutt on the recruiting trail. There be the stuff of legends, I tell you…

And, for the record, Ole Miss draws 50k+ after consecutive losing seasons. One losing season and Tommy West’s bunch will be playing in front of half that.

by Chris Lawrence on May 31, 2006 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

In my best Stan Gable impersonation, “O-gre!” “O-gre!” “O-gre!”

by EZ on May 31, 2006 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris Lawrence—

The Orgeron will either

A. Hit an opposing player ala Woody Hayes within the next 3 years or

B. Cause OM to get LOIC with major sanctions within the next 3 years or

C. Be the beneficiary of a DUI from the local Oxford constabulary within 3 years.

And last but not least

D. Still be unable to lead Ole Miss beyond a .500 record until another Manning is old enough to be trotted out.

by Auburn Fan on May 31, 2006 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Auburn Fans are so silly sometimes…Unfortunately for all the conspiracy theorists out there, we live in reality…

Orgeron is making waves and kicking ass on the recruiting trail. He must be dirty and crooked!

by Erik on May 31, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Auburn Fan, to respond to your post…

A. Hit an opposing player ala Woody Hayes within the next 3 years or

He gets in the faces of his own players, but somehow I doubt he’s that crazy to attack another player.

B. Cause OM to get LOIC with major sanctions within the next 3 years or

Could happen. Of course, it’s just as likely or even more likely that this happens to AU. Don’t you guys lead the nation in probations since the NCAA began handing them down?

C. Be the beneficiary of a DUI from the local Oxford constabulary within 3 years.

Check your facts. He doesn’t drink anymore so far as I know. If he does, it must be rarely. He had two assisstants that got caught with alcohol related incidents in his first months on the job, and both were fired immediately, so an alcohol charge from him is highly unlikely.

And last but not least

D. Still be unable to lead Ole Miss beyond a .500 record until another Manning is old enough to be trotted out.

This is a possibility too, and we’ll see in time, but if all of his coaching peers truly believed that, would they be turning him in for violations at such an alarming rate?

To prove my point, I know that we had many more incidents occuring with Cutcliffe as our coach, but no one cared outside of Starkville, b/c Cut wasn’t beating anyone out for recruits.

by rebel84 on May 31, 2006 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

“To prove my point, I know that we had many more incidents occuring with Cutcliffe as our coach, but no one cared outside of Starkville, b/c Cut wasn’t beating anyone out for recruits.”

and thats the bottom line. And I’m a freaking LSU fan.

by CK on May 31, 2006 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Well as long as you’re happy being in the Rivals Top 25 for recruiting and calling that beating people out, then good on ya.

And by the way, if you really don’t think Ed is crazy enough to whack an opposing player, you’ve been eating too much brie in the Grove.

by Auburn Fan on May 31, 2006 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Aubbie, I wasn’t talking about team rankings, though we were 16 in rivals and 15 on scout which was very close to tops in the SEC West. The “beating people out” I was talking about was for individual players. Orgeron beat out LSU, UF, Bama, and AU for players that were at or near the top of their lists. This is what gets these coaches ticked off.

His biggest crime to this point is getting a class that ranked outside the range that is deemed “acceptable” for Ole Miss. I really doubt he’s done anything that Tubby, Meyer, Miles, and Shula haven’t done themselves in recruiting. It’s a dirty game, and the “haves” simply don’t want the “have nots” intruding on their territory. Cut stayed out of their way, so all the things he did were overlooked.

by rebel84 on May 31, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Auburn Fan, your supreme ignorance of all matters involving Ole Miss is showing. You might want to nip that in the bud.

Just cause you heard some rumor about him fighting a player or some other BS doesn’t give you the right to make yourself look like an ass.

by Erik on Jun 1, 2006 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess that 20K Bama paid to the church of Andre Smith also can be traced back to Coach O.

You’ll all cheat, some like Fulmer are better cheese eating rats.

by Cat on Jun 1, 2006 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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