Comments on: ONEPEAT STRIKES FIRST

By: kudzoo

kudzoo — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:03:05 +0000

Genghis and the Horde had a crushing ground game, but no air attack. Not balanced enough to win a NC and don’t get me started on the effects of servicing 4 harems.

By: Free Logan Young

Free Logan Young — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:57:07 +0000

Whether they would claim it or not doesn’t speak to the merits of the argument: that an AP title in 2003 is purely mythical (as opposed to the semi-mythical title handed out by the BCS).

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:09:08 +0000

Assuming that they would, FLY, wouldn’t LSU claim it? Of course they would.

By: Free Logan Young

Free Logan Young — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:12:44 +0000

The AP wouldn’t give a separate title to the likes of LSU. That honor is reserved for the likes of ND and USC.

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:27:46 +0000

Well said, PLACT Irish. Besides, why did they put up the billboard in Los Angeles? You mean to tell me LSU wouldn’t claim an AP national title? Yeah right.

By: NewAZTiger

NewAZTiger — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:51:23 +0000

Free Logan Young, close, but not quite.

The AP pulled out of the BCS after the 04 season, claiming the BCS was “illegally” using it poll. They’d only been reporting on it for, oh, a decade, and then they suddenly “discovered” that the BCS was using it. This was a poor effort to separate themselves from the mess that was the 04 season – 5 teams finished undefeated regular seasons, 3 from BCS conferences, and 3 finished the bowls undefeated.

The AP lost all integrity, IMHO, when they suddenly dropped out after the 04 season claiming the BCS was “illegally” using their poll. Perhaps the AP writers shouldn’t vote and push for college football to be less like ice dancing where opinions rule and more like a real man’s sport where head to head competition trumps opinions made by potential advertising revenue.

By: PLACT Irish

PLACT Irish — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:19:54 +0000

I’m going to step outside the College Football Box for a second.

Isn’t this going a little too far? Isn’t this moving billboard a bit much? Why not use the excess money and donate it to those in Louisiana who are getting kicked out of their neighborhoods because they have no where to live?

When you are spending 11k+ on billboards over a game and only 2k on people who have nowhere to live and much more important things to worry about then how many NC’s USC has won i think your priorities are a bit mixed up.

I’m not saying onepeat.com shouldnt spend their money how ever they want, i just think it could be put to better use.

By: Free Logan Young

Free Logan Young — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:12:04 +0000

In 2003, the AP Poll was still used as part of the BCS formula. Therefore, to recognize a separate AP national champion from the BCS national champion was complete BS.

Since 2003, the AP has pulled its poll from the BCS formula, so if they want to award a national champion and have it considered legitimate, that’s at least understandable. But prior to the AP pulling its poll from the BCS, a “split” NC is nonsense — USC’s supposed NC in ‘03 is pure fiction.

By: John

John — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:30:17 +0000

USC didn’t make the Sugar Bowl because of a bad formula that was based too much on schedule strength that the BCS was smart enough to change the next year. Saying that LSU was the only National Champion that year is saying that computers should be the primary factor in deciding the champion.

By: Trojan in DC

Trojan in DC — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:49:36 +0000

I second LD: I can guarantee you I won’t weigh in on this if you come through with the Jacobellis pictures.

Mmmm, pie.

By: Dawg 05

Dawg 05 — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:57:56 +0000

As a Dawg, I like to believe that LSU won the title in ‘03. It makes that asspounding in the Dome seem a little be better. Thus, I also give my NC to Auburn for their ‘04 effort. Go ahead and hang that flag, too.

By: rebel84

rebel84 — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:48 +0000

The bottom line is that until there is a playoff (a 2 team playoff doesn’t count), there will always be the possibility of a split championship. By the way, LSU is the only team since the inception of the BCS to have won the ADT trophy but not win the AP’s trophy. That in and of itself makes it different from the titles that Tennessee, Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami, Ohio State, USC ‘04, and Texas won since ‘98. It doesn’t make it any less valuable, just different.

By: moin

moin — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:50:31 +0000

Get out of town! You meaning the polls in college football are political?!?! Next you’ll be telling me that Fulmer loves them jelly donuts.

By: bill

bill — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:09:38 +0000

See, and all this time I thought the BCS formula determined who played in the BCS title game.

By: tigercpa

tigercpa — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:02:25 +0000

Patrick,

All the BCS does is determines who wins the coaches’ poll, nothing more nothing less. It’s the same old UPI poll we have always had, except now their is a formula for who wins the coaches poll. The BCS (who is just “renting” the AFCA trophy) is merely some media fairy dust sprinkled on the coaches poll. That’s all.

Normally it works out such that the AFCA and Bear Bryant Trophies go to the same team, but it didn’t in 2003. The BCS even acknowledges the co-champinship on its website.

In the end, it all comes down to how you value integrity.

If you believe the coaches should have to vote agaisnt their honest assessment of teams to honor a contractual obligation, then LSU gets a co-championship in 2003. If you believe the coaches should vote honestly, without influence, then it’s very likely USC is the unanimous #1 in 2003, as they were in the polls immediately prior to the bowls.